BetterGEDCOM Weekly Meetings: Mondays 10:00 AM - 10:30 AM Pacific Time
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Times Around the World
After contributing to the Google Docs "Comparison Worksheet", participants will better be able to consider:
1. Immediate vs. long term goals.
2. Timeline for completing first BetterGEDCOM model.
4. Which to settle first?
Families
Sources
Places
???
???
(If we can agree on one to discuss for weekly has-out sessions.)
If we are to get our heads round the time-line for completing first BetterGEDCOM model, we need to have some specific objectives to get us there, maybe bit at a time. And it may be useful to bear in mind the difference between goals - which I interpret as often fairly loose aims - and objectives.
Objectives need to be (using management-speak) SMART, i.e.
Specific
Measurable
Agreed
Realistic
Timed
OK - you can have your own variants on that lot. But the crucial thing is that at some point we need to move from the loose aims / goals to specific objectives - otherwise we'll never know where we should be going or when we've got there. (NB - that does NOT mean we forget the goals)
OK - I'll take my Project Management hat off now.
The time-line is essential. Determining specific objectives to position on that time-line will be our challenge.
Let's keep talking...
What do you think the time line should include.
1. An agreement on the basic aims of this "project" (sorry - can't think of a better term, even though that's a bit formal)
2. An agreement on the methodology to be followed (e.g. do we keep to the Wiki idea - which is bringing up some interesting stuff, like a slow brain-storm - or do we at some point say, OK, let's freeze that bit, work out a specific objective relating to it and do some specific work on that topic?)
3. A decent set of requirements for BetterGEDCOM - e.g. what are the shortcomings of GEDCOM? What do we want in our future? (Ah - we have a topic for that but is it detailed enough to draw up specific objectives?)
This will include an understanding about what physically we want to end up with. (And _I_ don't understand enough about XML to know what the options are there...)
4. An agreement about whether we go for everything in one go (not a good idea, it seems to me) or, if we phase things, what do we put into the first phase? (E.g. phase 1 could be a minimum change to GEDCOM equivalent to what FamilySearch proposed themselves. Phase 2 might then be to expand the data model to include new entity types, etc.) Another decision would be whether or not to release the Phase 1 output to developers? Possibly not if we needed to revamp it for Phase 2...
Note here that I am talking about putting a decision about phasing onto a time-line, not about putting the phases on - too early for that.
My personal problem here is that I was always used to big, disciplined (allegedly) projects with long phases. What you really need here is someone used to working iteratively in short bursts. No offence to anyone but I can see getting consensus and agreement will be like herding cats...
I agree here with Adrian on all points.
Seems like the discussion on thi wiki is going off in all directions and we need some cat chow to urge the cats to come together.
Louis
This is a big project. We may need to break some of the bigger topics (sources/citations, location formats, research-layer, etc.) up into sub-projects, with sub-teams assigned to them. We may also need an official project manager to keep everything on-track.
1. Agreement on how to vote.
2. Agreement on basic aims of this "project”.
3. Agreement on methodology.
4. Agreement on national vs. international.
5. Agreement on initial time line.
6. Agreement on meeting frequency.
Respectfully submitted,
Those who wan't to make sure their culture is covered will have to contribute. It is as simple as that. It will be very difficult for those outside a culture to try to cover it.
Just curious <g>
We had a 15 person limit for today's meeting. We hope that will be expanded in time for the next meeting.
Hope this helps.
At the meetings, I explained I would canvas all our genealogy friends who host large webinars and ask that we can use their room on a rotating basis with other corporate entities.
We don't want to meet only in one corporate-donated space, as that might be construed to showing preference for that genealogy entity over another.
At the end of the meeting I stated my resolve to personally schedule space in time for our twice monthly meetings.
Thank-you theKiwi, for taking the time to make your posting.